Page Four with Nazarea Andrews, Publicist/Co-owner Inkslinger PR

Welcome to Write to Read podcast,

a page in the life of an author.

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I'm Liv Macy, and these are my pages.

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Page four happy new year.

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I did take last week off.

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And so there was no episode.

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On Monday, January 1st.

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I am so excited to bring

conversations around my laptop today.

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With the Saudia Andrews, who is

my publicist and PR Xtrordinair.

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Today's bit of randomness is too.

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Check on your author, friends.

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Make sure that they're okay.

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Some of them are perfectly

fine and still need to be drug

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out from behind their desk.

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They may need to see the light

of the sun for a little bit.

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And.

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It's a lonely business

writing is definitely lonely.

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No matter.

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How many online friends you have, no

matter how much support you have at home.

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It is still lonely.

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So just reach out, make

sure that they're okay.

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We have reached the beyond the blurb

segment of the podcast, which is one

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of my favorite parts of the show.

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Here I can have the best of both worlds

to give my listeners the opportunity

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to hear about books that may otherwise

not have crossed their path and also

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to give authors a space to share their

book on a wide platform for zero cost.

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But unfortunately it comes with a caveat.

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There's just no way that I can read every

single book that has been highlighted.

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Or ensure that the authors or the

works aren't problematic or offensive.

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I simply don't have the time.

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And as such, I must say that I do not

endorse any of the books within this show.

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However, I do hope that

you find something amazing.

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Happy reading.

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Hi, my name is Ashleigh King.

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I am a gay romance author.

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I'm excited to share with you my debut

holiday short story, Five Below, which

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was actually released on the 16th.

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Five Below is a heartwarming second

chance opposite to track holiday

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tale featuring characters named

Warwick Adler and Thomas Lane.

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This story originated as a Wattpad

co write about six years ago and

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has undergone extensive Extensive

rewriting over the past two

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years to become what it is today.

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Warwick and Thomas were once a

couple, but circumstances forced

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them apart due to the interference

of questionable family members.

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However, fate brings them back together

at an airport just days before Christmas,

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sparking a chance for them to reconnect.

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Five Below is a project that I am

incredibly proud of, and I am thrilled

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to finally share it in the world and

have other people be able to read

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this project that I consider complete.

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Hi y'all, I'm Becca Turner.

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I write closed door contemporary

and sweet historical romances.

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Thanks for joining me here today.

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I'm going to tell you about Cowboy

Kind of Hooked, my new release that's

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It's the eighth book in my

Only An Okie Will Do series.

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Bullfighter Chance Nash's life takes

a turn when he meets Isla Michaels.

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Little does he know that Isla's

hiding her heart and a secret.

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As the romance blossoms, she grapples

with the weight of her past and with

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the choice that could alter her future.

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Will love lift the shadows of

her childhood or will prodding

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from her mother and brother carry

her in a different direction?

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Cowboy Kind of Hooked is the tale of

love, family legacies, and choices that

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will shape Chance and Isla's destinies.

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Hi, my name is Sue Langford.

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I have written 44 novels as of today

and I'm here to talk about my book

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It's called White Sand Romance.

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This one is book 3 in

the Charleston series.

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This story is Has a little

bit of millionaire romance.

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It has a little bit of friends to lovers

It has a little bit of second chance

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romance and a little bit of small town

all mixed into one book This one is

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the story of Lily and Emerson It's

obviously a love triangle, and not one

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that was a really great love triangle.

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Zack is absolutely head over

heels in love with Lily.

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Except for the fact that Emerson has

known her longer than anybody else.

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He's been in love with her

since they were 15 years old.

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Actually 14 if you ask him.

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He has a chance to finally

get her back in his life.

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And When she actually says

yes, everything goes insane.

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Zack loses his marbles.

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Emerson buys his business out from

under him just to get rid of him.

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Lily has a difficult time

regardless, but she is so happy

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when she finally makes a decision.

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The question is, does she choose

Emerson or does she choose Zack?

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We all know Zack is a horrible person.

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He's not the nicest guy.

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The millionaire, okay, he has money.

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But guess what?

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So does Emerson.

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And Emerson actually has double.

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So actually, it's not just

a millionaire romance.

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It's a billionaire romance.

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No, he doesn't have the attitude.

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No, he doesn't have the,

I'm better than you.

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He has, I just want to be with you.

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It doesn't matter what

we have to do to do it.

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He's the kind hearted guy that

normally nice guys finish last.

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But in this, he doesn't.

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He actually has a chance to

get the love of his life back.

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So this is a little bit of sappy romance.

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It's a little bit of everything.

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But this one also has spice in it.

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That you totally would

not be expecting at all.

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Uh, the old author update section.

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Uh, you'll be happy to know.

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I have been writing.

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So progress is good.

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But I am most excited

to talk to you about.

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Not talk to you about share with you.

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That I have been invited.

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To awesome con.

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In Washington, DC, March 8th.

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It will be there all weekend.

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And of course it is.

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The season for events and book

signings and Comicons, and I

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am all over the U S this year.

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I believe I am at.

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I want to say 13 events.

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It's a lot.

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Uh, I'm going to.

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I think I'm thinking I'm

going to be a little burnout.

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Uh, but at the end of the year,

But there's literally nothing

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better than meeting fans and

readers and signing books.

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And.

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Interacting and talking with you all.

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So I'm thrilled.

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To be in Washington, DC.

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conversation around the laptop.

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Hi Nasadia.

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How are you today?

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I'm good.

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How are you?

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I'm doing well.

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So I invited you here to chat with

me because I wanted to, not only

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because I like to learn things, but

I think some of our listeners would

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be really interested in hearing about

like Inkslinger and what you do.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So I'm a publicist and co

owner at Inkslinger PR.

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We are a literary PR firm.

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Um, and that means that we

tell people about books.

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Kind of a wide ranging, um, service.

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My parents are like, what do you do?

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And I'm like, everything, whatever

my clients really need me to do.

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But we work on release launch for clients

and managing their careers, advertising

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and backlist, just making sure that our

clients and their books are positioned in

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the best way possible to be successful.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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So that's, that's like a lot in one.

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One introduction.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So, uh, I, I mean, I love the idea

of like managing an author's career.

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What does that look like?

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Like as far as like, are you over here

going, you need to do this, this, and

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this, or are you, you know, is it,

sometimes it is exactly what I'm doing.

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Um, it really depends on the client and

there isn't a one size fits all for,

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well, at least at our agency, there

isn't a one size fits all, um, service.

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What we do is very tailored to where that

client is and what they need and what

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kind of style they want to have with us.

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Like some of my clients, I talk to once

a month and I tell them, Okay, this is

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what I'm going to be doing this month.

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And they tell me what they're

going to be doing this month.

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And then we both go and

do our different things.

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And we check back in at

the beginning of the month.

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And that's great.

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And then there are other clients

that I meet with once a week.

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And um, So we go over, you know,

everything that you're doing and

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everything that I'm doing and where

we are in various projects, you know,

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if we need to pivot and it does allow

that kind of relationship allows

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for, um, more management, a closer

look at your career and, um, changing

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things if something is not working,

we're able to pivot more quickly.

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So actually I feel like

your business model is.

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It's very closely aligned with

authors in general, because I think

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every single author is so different.

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Every path that they take is different.

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Every um, choice that they make

is different from someone else's.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's great that, that

you're able to do that.

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Um, actually I feel like all of

publishing is like that, not just author.

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It is.

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I mean, I've been in the industry

for a while and nobody is alike.

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Nobody's path takes the exact same steps.

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Um, I mean, I've worked with so

many authors and they're, they're

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all on a very unique journey.

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And so how we get to where they're

trying to go and where they're

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trying to go can change too.

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Like your goals are going to

be different than, you know,

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my next client over's goals.

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And that's okay because what you define as

success and what each individual defines

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as success is a very personal thing.

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Like knowing what that is and then

helping a client reach that is at the

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end of the day what I'm trying to do.

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So do you recommend authors kind of

already knowing what their success goal

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is before they hire like your firm?

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Or is that something that you guys like

to try to help, you know, figure out?

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I think that, um, it can work either way.

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A lot of times I've got people

who come to me and they're like,

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I don't know what, what to do.

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I don't like, I just know that

what I'm doing isn't working.

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And I'm like, okay, so, and then

we, we sit down and we figure out,

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okay, where do you want to grow?

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Like, what do you want to see?

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What are metrics of success?

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Whether that be, um, social

media followers or newsletter

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subscribers or how many releases

they want to have every, every year.

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Um, those are all things that's.

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The author and I can

control and, and achieve.

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So, um, when, when I'm asking a

client, Hey, what are your goals?

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What do you want to see yourself

in a year or five years?

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Then I can help them figure out,

okay, here's the plan for how we're

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going to get there and create little

steps for, for reaching those goals.

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And sometimes a client comes to me and

they're like, I have a five year plan.

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And I want you to help me get there.

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I'm like, okay.

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And I can work with either one.

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It's just a matter of, you know,

where a person is, but their,

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their career is in just direction.

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Okay.

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So my question then is, is like,

how, how much does personality come

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into play with things like that?

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Like, because I, I imagine, you know,

like reading is subjective, right?

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So, and everything in this

industry is subjective.

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Like, do you think you said like the

success goals for everybody is different?

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Is that like a personality thing or

have you noticed, like, is that just.

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I think yes and no, because there are,

I'm not going to be the right publicist

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for every author and every author is

not going to be the right client for me.

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Um, it's one of the reasons that Ink

Slinger is, I think we have a process

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for accepting new clients and we've

got them to make sure that we're going

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to be able to be passionate about

their work and that it's something

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that we can get behind because.

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Like this is our job, but if I'm not

passionate about a client's work Then

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i'm not going to be a very good advocate

for that client's career and so I can

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honestly say I adore all of my clients.

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Um, And I wouldn't want to work with

somebody that I don't like And there are

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there are a lot of people that I do like

that i'm not working with and that's

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that's also Normal, um, because like

I said, i'm not going to be the right

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publicist for every author It's not just

that every author is not going to be the

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right client for me And sometimes I've

worked with clients in the past and we've,

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you know, figured out that they've got a

great, great backlist and, um, upcoming

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titles, they're, they're fantastic

authors, but for whatever reason, we're

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just not working together the way that

both of us would like our styles aren't.

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Meshing very well.

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And when that happens, it's really

disappointing for, for both of us, I

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think, because it's, it's frustrating

when you're working with somebody and

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you want it to succeed and it's not

working, but I think that's, I think

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that's normal too, in the industry.

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You're not going to, you're not going

to, you're, you're sometimes going to

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run into a cover artist that doesn't get

your vision for the book and what you

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want that, that cover to look like, or

an editor who just isn't getting your

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style and editing the book the way that

you think it needs to be told, like

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the story, the way it needs to be told.

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I think it's the same kind of thing.

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um, With finding a publicist.

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Not everyone is going to fit perfectly.

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And that's okay.

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There's a lot of us out there.

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Yeah, no, I agree.

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I think definitely on all fronts, I think

that it's really important to have anyone

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that's part of your team has the same, If

not the same necessarily vision, because

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I think those can be kind of like massaged

a little bit and maybe aligned a little

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bit more, but I think that if they're not,

yeah, they're not passionate about you

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and your work and, and, and vice versa,

like if I'm not passionate about like my

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PR person or, you know, then you don't,

you're not as open minded and you're not

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willing to, uh, not do what it takes,

but kind of willing to accept some of

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the things that maybe come in, Okay.

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Yeah.

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Or don't want to do.

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You know.

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I think there's like, it can

erode the trust and authors, um.

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And it's hard to trust someone right off

the bat when you don't really know them.

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Exactly.

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There's that.

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But authors are also, I mean,

y'all are creative people.

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You're writing books for a living and

telling stories and that's a very creative

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endeavor and you put a lot of yourself

into the story and so you're protective

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of it and trusting somebody to shepherd

that in places where maybe you can't go.

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is a really hard thing

for a lot of people.

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I think that's one of the reasons

some of my clients are very,

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you know, they want a lot of

interaction and hands on and updates.

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And that's completely cool because I

totally understand, I totally understand

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why that is because, um, because I

did publish for a long time and I get

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where you're coming from, I understand

the neuroses and the control aspect of

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something that is very close to you.

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And I try and I tried very hard to make

sure that my clients are comfortable

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and know that, you know, when I'm

guiding your career, I'm doing it to

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the best of my ability and so that you

are as successful as I can make you.

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Yeah, because both of

our success, Kenneth.

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Hinges on us being successful

in what we're doing.

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As silly as that statement

is, it really is true.

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Like I, I can't be successful if

you're not successful and vice versa.

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Like that, they go hand in hand.

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Um, yeah, it's so funny to me

how much before I was an author.

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And really kind of delving into the

writing community, how hand in hand all

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the moving parts kind of have to go,

um, and how, yeah, you have to have a

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team that, that you trust and you admire

and you're willing to work with and,

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and, um, kind of hash things out too.

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Like that, that's another thing.

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Like you have to have the ability to

not argue, but like kind of be able

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to discuss things or, um, see other

sides of things that you, you know.

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I think going into.

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A relationship with a new client is

something that I like to be upfront

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and honest about is that I'm going

to be very upfront and honest and I'm

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going to push back when I don't think

that you're making the right decision.

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Like my job is to present to you options

and avenues and maybe you haven't thought

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of or maybe you have thought of and you've

decided aren't the right one for you.

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And if I disagree, I'm going

to, I'm going to ask you why.

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And at the end of the

day, it's your career.

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I'm just a tool.

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That you're using.

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And that's great.

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That's what I'm here for.

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But because I've been doing this for so

long, sometimes I've watched, I watch

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authors making decisions that I can say,

Hey, if you make this decision, this is

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what's going to happen down the line.

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So I'm going to advise

you very strongly not to.

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I'm part of why you hire me, why

people come to, to publicists

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like Inkslinger PR and others.

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Um, it's because we do have expertise.

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We've been doing this a while.

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This is our job.

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This is all we do.

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And so part of the relationship is

not just me trusting my clients and

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being passionate about their work,

but my clients trusting me and my

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expertise, even when they maybe don't

always understand it and like asking

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me, Hey, why are we doing this?

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Because sometimes because I've been

doing this for a long time, it doesn't

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occur to me that I need to explain why

we're doing a thing that we are doing.

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Yeah, well, I think it's, I

think you have a wonderful thing

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going on there at Inkslinger.

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Uh, my experience, of course,

with you guys has been great.

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Um, and, uh, I, I definitely think it's

important, um, what you guys, what you

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guys like kind of represent and stand for.

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And how you, like how you

conduct like the relationship

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and the business aspect of it.

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Uh, so for someone, for example, who

either is looking for, uh, PR firm of

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their own, or is just now kind of delving

into, uh, maybe, maybe ads are too much

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for me, or maybe the marketing aspect

is too much for me and they're looking

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for what, besides like the things that

we've already discussed, like what should

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they be looking for in a good PR firm?

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Or what, what are the.

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The things that they should run from.

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I always tell people, run from

anyone who promises you sales.

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As wonderful as that would be, that's

not something that a PR firm can promise.

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At the end of the day, we can

position a book as best as possible.

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We can put it in front of as many people

and eyes as we possibly can and get it,

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you know, arcs in the hands of readers,

but we can't make people buy something.

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If we do our jobs right,

then hopefully they are.

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Um.

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But I do say, yeah, I

don't guarantee sales.

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I think that looking for a publicist,

you should definitely have a good

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vibe, you know, have a consultation

with them and figure out what kind

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of style they, they have with working

and whether or not there's somebody

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that you think you can work with.

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I've had conversations with

so many potential clients

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and walked away thinking.

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Yeah, I think that would be a really

great person to work with, but I've

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also had potential client conversation

that I walked away and, and knew that

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it wasn't going to be a good fit.

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And fortunately they knew that too.

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So it wasn't a conversation

that we had to have, but that's,

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that's a really important aspect.

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A PR relationship with a

client should be long term.

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It's ideally something that you're going

into, going to be working with this

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person six months, a year, two years.

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Longer, we have clients at Inkslinger

who've been with us for almost

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the entire time I've been here.

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So you're going to be working

with this person for a long time.

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You want to make sure that

there's somebody that you can

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get along with because you can't.

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It's going to be miserable

and counterproductive.

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I think that during that

consultation call, going over, you

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know, what are their specialties?

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Like, what do they

represent on a daily basis?

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And what do they enjoy reading?

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Because that's important too.

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You want to make sure that they

have experience with your genre.

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And then just like, what do they do?

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Because like everybody,

everybody has a specialty.

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I'm very good at Facebook ads, but

very upfront about the fact that.

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Amazon ads are not my specialty.

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I'm getting better at them every day,

but they're not my specialty because

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they're just not something that I've

done a lot of and I wouldn't want

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somebody to come to me and be like,

hey, I want you to write Amazon ads and

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that's all I'm going to ask you to do.

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I'm going to tell you, I'm probably

not the girl for you because I'm

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not, that's not my specialty.

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So going into a relationship with a

clear idea of, you know, what this person

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does on a daily basis, what they're good

at, is a really good idea because you

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want to make sure that you're hiring

somebody who's right for the job.

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Yeah.

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No, I, I, I completely understand

why that would be a problem.

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Um, I mean, just like us, we're not

able to do all the things really well.

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I mean, nobody is, uh, so yeah, making

sure that your team is specializing in

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the things that they're really good at

is hopefully the most successful way

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to reach success, um, and the probably

the least frustrating, I would think.

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So how can, I mean, I'm sure it's

really hard in the space of a

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consultation to accurately portray that.

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Um, your, your, your goals and, and

make sure that they're all aligned.

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If you have to, you know, break away

from a firm or it's no longer working

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for you, how, how do people do that?

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How does that affect them or you guys?

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When a client is leaving us, because

it does happen, it's, you know, they

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let us know, they give notice and

let us know, Hey, we're going to be

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going in a different direction and.

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Then when I'm personally losing a client,

I want to sit down with them and figure

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out, okay, in this last couple of weeks

that we're together, what can I do for you

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that will position you best on your own?

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Because, um, because this is a business.

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And I adore all of my clients, but I'm

also aware that business models change

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or in the end of the month or at the

end of the year in December, a lot of

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people change up their business model

in December and decide, okay, what am I

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to change the results that I'm seeing.

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And.

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While they're doing that, like, how can

I help you be successful on your own?

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I had a conversation with a client

who's not leaving me, but, but we had

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this conversation recently about the

relationships that I have, but that

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I also want her to foster because,

because while I adore working with her,

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if she ever does leave and go on her

own, I want her to still have those

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relationships and those connections.

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So that she can continue utilizing them

and continue growing in her career.

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Um, so, I think that's

incredibly professional of you.

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Thanks.

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Um, I try.

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I do, like, because at the end of the day,

while I want to be the best publicist that

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I can be and as successful as I can be for

my clients, I also know it's a business.

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You guys are running a business just as

much as I am, and you have to do what's

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best for your career, and I'm hopeful that

that continues to be me for my clients,

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but when it's not, I don't take it

personal, I just give you the tools that I

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can so that you can continue on your way.

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I think really anything in the, in

the publishing industry, you cannot

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take personal, like you can't take

feedback or, you know, reviews

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personally or any, any of that stuff.

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I feel like authors

have the thickest skin.

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We have to.

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To be successful, you really need to

have a very thick skin in this industry.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So, as far as like, uh, do you guys

offer referral to other PR places?

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We do not refer to any other PR firm,

and that's a policy that dates back

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from before I was a co owner to the

original founder and owner, JP Simone.

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There's a lot of different agencies out

there, and some are great, and some are

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new, and we don't, we don't recommend

any of them because we just never have.

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We recommend, um, other services, like

cover artists and editors, um, and

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graphic designers, but not, not PR firms.

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Are you guys accepting new clients?

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We are.

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We are accepting new clients,

and you're welcome to email me.

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Okay.

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Bye bye.

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Do you have more clients based on

referrals, like, or is it just kind

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of an open call type of thing, or, um?

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Honestly, our clients come

from a lot of different places.

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Some come from referrals.

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Some come from just seeing, um,

I'm pretty active in various

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author groups, um, or social media.

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A lot of people get referred

to us by their publisher.

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Um, we've worked with a lot of publishers

over the years and, um, because of

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that, you know, when they're telling

their, their authors, Hey, you need PR,

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a lot of them send them over our way.

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Um, so it.

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It's just kind of, they

come from everywhere.

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They all come from everywhere.

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And that's great.

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I mean, there's a lot of word of mouth

about Aislinger, um, I think because we've

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been in, we've been around for so long.

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That's awesome.

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Anything else that a listener might

want to know or that you think is, if

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you had like one nugget of information

that you'd want to pass along.

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Nugget.

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Or something that they

definitely should know.

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I have a nugget.

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I have a nugget.

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It's a marathon.

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It's not a sprint.

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You're not going to

have overnight success.

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It doesn't matter what platform

you think is going to offer that.

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I know a lot of people love to talk

for that overnight success, but I read

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somewhere recently that every author seems

to put in about 10 years of hard work

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before they like, make it, quote unquote.

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And it doesn't matter if like they

make it at the beginning of their

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career and then have like a 10 year

bold rooms, or if they're doing really

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great and then have like a break in

the middle of doing really great again,

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everybody's got to put in their time

and do their, you know, pay their dues.

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Um, but you just gotta keep going.

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You gotta, you gotta have a

plan and you gotta stick to it.

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Um, like you don't go into a marathon

without a plan for how you're going

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to, you know, get through those 26.

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Miles, you don't do something like

that without a plan and you're not

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going to have a successful career

in publishing without a plan.

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So you know, find somebody who can

help you make one and stick to it.

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The whole, this is a marathon,

not a sprint, I swear, is

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like the bane of every author.

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I know.

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I know.

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Like no one wants to hear those words.

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I have to um, like I was writing a

client earlier this morning before,

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before we met, I was emailing him and

I'm like, okay, so I know you don't

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want to hear this, but we do this thing.

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It's going to take some time.

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And I need you to like, trust me.

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And I feel like so often that is

something that nobody wants to hear.

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It does take time.

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At the end of the day,

that's like, it takes time.

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Writing a book does, building social

media does, building your audience does.

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Um, just getting to where you want to

be in publishing is going to take time.

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So like, settle into the long haul, trust

your publicist, and go write another book.

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You get the fun job.

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That might be debatable.

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You're right.

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Same.

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As a writer, I agree that

that might be debatable.

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Yeah, this actually reminds me of

what you were saying earlier of one

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of my favorite quotes of all time.

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And I have no idea who wrote it.

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And this was a quote I had discovered

probably like in middle school, high

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school years was, um, advice is what

you ask for when you already know

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the answer, but wish you didn't.

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Yeah.

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And I feel like that applies

so much to this industry.

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Um, I, I kind of like, I

used to love that quote now.

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I'm like.

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Dang it.

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to hear.

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No, thank you.

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I hear you.

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But it's true.

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I mean, I love that.

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I love that book.

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That's great because it's very, very true.

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Yeah, it is.

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Uh, so for any listeners,

what, where can they find you?

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Are you guys on social

media or websites or?

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Yes.

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Um, our website is www.eatsingerpr.com.

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And that is also our social media

handle on everything, Inkslayer PR.

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And I personally can also be found

as Savia Andrews on everything,

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social, Facebook, um, Twitter.

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Does anybody use Twitter?

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Twitter and, um, TikTok, but I don't

actually use my TikTok except to

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watch videos that my kids send me, so.

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That's kind of where I'm at with Twitter.

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I, I, I'm, I'm still hanging on and

I pop in every once in a while, but.

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I keep hoping it'll change

back to what it was.

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I think those days are over.

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Yeah, I think it's fine too.

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I keep waiting to figure

out, like I'm watching to see

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what's going to take its place.

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Like I know there's blue sky,

there's threads and all that.

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And I'm like, I'm not committing to

either of those until I know which

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one's actually going to be a thing.

583

Yeah, because it's spawned a lot of

like off the wall type social medias

584

as well that are kind of not really

legit, I don't think, uh, and have

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some security issues and stuff.

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So, yeah, I.

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I mean, I, I'm also joining, I

haven't joined blue sky just yet.

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But I am in threads and I keep

venturing in and, but I, I have this

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preconceived notion that it's going

to look like Twitter because that's

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what they kind of build themselves as.

591

Yeah.

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Uh, and, and I keep popping in and

going, no, no, this is not Twitter.

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Well, like I said, we'd been around

for a while and I have watched so

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like we started with Facebook and

then Instagram came along and Twitter

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and, and I'm just like watching and.

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Quietly dreading having to learn

social media platform because only.

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Yeah, I'm just getting behind a TikTok.

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So yeah, but I'll be around

where, wherever that settles.

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Well, good.

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Cause I like, I like chatting with you.

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Yeah.

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Me too.

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Well, thank you so much for joining me.

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I appreciate it.

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Yeah.

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Thank you for having me.

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I value your time and your expertise.

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Thank you so much.

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Have a good day.

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You too.

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You make this rather snappy, won't you?

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I have some very heavy thinking

to do before 10 o'clock.

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Industry information, or basically,

my opinions, my choices, my

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knowledge passed on to you.

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And remember, every author

and every story is different.

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Let's talk about

marketing in this episode.

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Not marketing as a broad

statement, but just.

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One of the many paths that.

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Marketing can look like because marketing

can definitely not be discussed in

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one episode or 10 or even a hundred.

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And even if I discussed one type

of marketing, I still couldn't do

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it in probably a hundred episodes.

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But one of the things I wanted

to just point out that not

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everybody considers and I 100%.

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Realize that this is a privilege

on so many different levels.

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But.

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One of the things that people overlook

is book signing events, whether that's

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Comicons or, um, book conventions or.

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Like Kraft or shows or flea markets.

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Um, really anywhere that you can set up.

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A table.

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And sign your book and sell your book.

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Don't overlook that aspect.

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Because.

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People really like to see the author

people really value having a signed book.

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And

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that can be a way of spreading.

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Your name?

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And your brand and your book around.

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So just consider it.

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I know not everybody.

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Is able to, not everybody is,

um, in an area where there

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can be those kinds of events.

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And I know not everybody is

capable of talking to people.

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That often that up close in that personal.

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But I just wanted to make sure that.

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This was just something I

feel like is overlooked a lot.

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So don't discount.

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Book signing events.

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Thank you for listening.

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platforms is Liv Macy Author.

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